ProleWiki talk:Editorial guidelines/Archive - Revision history

PrimersophiaXVII: /* Adding pronouns to the pages of individuals (when public information) */

2022-06-21T15:55:45Z

Adding pronouns to the pages of individuals (when public information)

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	Given ProleWiki supports the LGBT community, it would make sense to add pronouns to avoid misgendering. This would be a small and unintrusive way to avoid misgendering		Given ProleWiki supports the LGBT community, it would make sense to add pronouns to avoid misgendering. This would be a small and unintrusive way to avoid misgendering
	in an article it ~~would~~ look like this		in an article it could look like this

	'''Firstname Lastname'''(They/them)		'''Firstname Lastname'''(They/them)

Forte: Forte moved page ProleWiki talk:Editorial guidelines to ProleWiki talk:Editorial guidelines/Archive: Giving way for structured discussions

2022-06-18T01:04:30Z

Forte moved page ProleWiki talk:Editorial guidelines to ProleWiki talk:Editorial guidelines/Archive: Giving way for structured discussions

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PrimersophiaXVII: /* Adding pronouns to the pages of individuals (when public information) */ new section

2022-06-17T17:45:23Z

Adding pronouns to the pages of individuals (when public information): new section

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	::''The Wretched of the Earth'' or ''The wretched of the Earth''? Considering we're editors, we're free to not follow the editorial rules of the market, so I kinda tend to prefer lowercasing it as much as possible. I consider ''The wretched of the Earth'' the better option when citing this work. --[[User:FelipeForte\|FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:FelipeForte\|talk]]) 09:36, 19 November 2020 (-03)		::''The Wretched of the Earth'' or ''The wretched of the Earth''? Considering we're editors, we're free to not follow the editorial rules of the market, so I kinda tend to prefer lowercasing it as much as possible. I consider ''The wretched of the Earth'' the better option when citing this work. --[[User:FelipeForte\|FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:FelipeForte\|talk]]) 09:36, 19 November 2020 (-03)

			== Adding pronouns to the pages of individuals (when public information) ==

			Given ProleWiki supports the LGBT community, it would make sense to add pronouns to avoid misgendering. This would be a small and unintrusive way to avoid misgendering
			in an article it would look like this

			'''Firstname Lastname'''(They/them)

Comwik: /* Proposal for United States demonym */

2022-02-16T21:10:53Z

Proposal for United States demonym

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	'''PROPOSAL:''' American is a term referring to the whole continent, and it suits United States imperialist ideology. So, as an effort to combat that reasoning, we adhere to using ''Statesian'' to refer to the inhabitants of that country. — ''Comrade [[Comrade:FelipeForte\|FelipeForte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:FelipeForte\|talk]])</sup> 10:40, 19 June 2021 (UTC)		'''PROPOSAL:''' American is a term referring to the whole continent, and it suits United States imperialist ideology. So, as an effort to combat that reasoning, we adhere to using ''Statesian'' to refer to the inhabitants of that country. — ''Comrade [[Comrade:FelipeForte\|FelipeForte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:FelipeForte\|talk]])</sup> 10:40, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
	:Statesian also could refer to Mexicans, although I suppose they already have the term Mexican. The issue really becomes interested when you bring in the [[Federated States of Micronesia]]. There are Micronesians outside of the Federated States of Micronesia, but calling them Statesians would overlap with the USA term. As for the USA the word Yankee/Yank comes to mind, but some consider this offensive. Perhaps a true solution would be to eliminate the usage of such a demonym entirely: instead of saying "Lincoln was an American politician", instead saying "Lincoln was a politician from the USA". *''Comrade [[Comrade:Spookfessor\|Spookfessor]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Spookfessor\|talk]])</sup> 14:23, 19 June 2021 (UTC)		:Statesian also could refer to Mexicans, although I suppose they already have the term Mexican. The issue really becomes interested when you bring in the [[Federated States of Micronesia]]. There are Micronesians outside of the Federated States of Micronesia, but calling them Statesians would overlap with the USA term. As for the USA the word Yankee/Yank comes to mind, but some consider this offensive. Perhaps a true solution would be to eliminate the usage of such a demonym entirely: instead of saying "Lincoln was an American politician", instead saying "Lincoln was a politician from the USA". *''Comrade [[Comrade:Spookfessor\|Spookfessor]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Spookfessor\|talk]])</sup> 14:23, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
			::How about "Lincoln was a United States politician," or "Lincoln was a U.S. politician" ? ''Comrade [[Comrade:Comwik\|Comwik]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Comwik\|talk]])</sup> 21:10, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

	== Suggestion on linking ==		== Suggestion on linking ==

Forte: Camarada.Forte moved page ProleWiki talk:Editorial style to ProleWiki talk:Editorial guidelines: More appropriate title

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Forte: Proposal for title policy

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Proposal for title policy

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-Promote discussions here about editorial styles
+== Proposal for (Start–End) dates in articles about past-existing states. ==
---[[User:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]] ([[User talk:FelipeForte|talk]]) 23:39, 17 November 2020 (-03)
+In articles about states or organizations that have existed in the past but do not currently exist, we add (START–END) dates between parenthesis in the ''title''. E.g.:
-I'm going to be adding my suggestions to the talk page and I guess we use the actual page for the things we agree on? In any case I added several suggestions with this edit, hopefully categorized in the new chapters below. Remember that whatever we decide, the important thing is to be consistent across the whole wiki. --[[User:CriticalResist|CriticalResist]] ([[User talk:CriticalResist|talk]]) 22:51, 18 November 2020 (-03)
+— ''Comrade [[Comrade:Camarada.Forte|Forte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Camarada.Forte|talk]])</sup> 19:31, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
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 I was thinking if we could link a page twice if it's first mentioned in another header. We could restrict to linking only after a level 2 header or include a level 3 as well. — ''Comrade [[Comrade:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:FelipeForte|talk]])</sup> 10:52, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
 :I also feel that linking in infoboxes should be allowed, regardless of the content of the article. This may be too obvious to be stated on this page.*''Comrade [[Comrade:Spookfessor|Spookfessor]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Spookfessor|talk]])</sup> 13:32, 17 June 2021 (UTC)
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 * Should always follow the reading direction. In left-to-right languages, they should always be to the right of the text (pictures should be thumbnailed). In right-to-left languages, they should always be to the left of the text. --[[User:CriticalResist|CriticalResist]] ([[User talk:CriticalResist|talk]]) 08:10, 19 November 2020 (-03)
 * Pictures inserted in articles should always have a description added to them --[[User:CriticalResist|CriticalResist]] ([[User talk:CriticalResist|talk]]) 08:10, 19 November 2020 (-03)
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 ::Following discord discussion, we've decided it to be best to use the shorthand version wherever possible, for the sake of saving space and avoiding long titles, as well as making our wiki approachable and familiar to readers (for example, using "Vladimir Lenin" instead of "Vladimir Ulyanov", as readers will likely be more familiar with the former. --''Comrade [[Comrade:Jucheguevara|Jucheguevara]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Jucheguevara|talk]])</sup> 21:35, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
 :::I agree with shorthand as well as full name, but even if readers are not familiar with a particular name, a redirect from "Vladimir Lenin" to "Vladimir Ulyanov" already serves to familiarize the reader with a particular name. [[EcuRed]], the Cuban encyclopedia, uses full name and shorthand in title, [https://www.ecured.cu/OTAN_(Organizaci%C3%B3n_del_Tratado_del_Atl%C3%A1ntico_Norte) for instance]. So to state my opinion in this, for names of people, I agree with shorthand and known name, but for organizations and countries, I prefer the full name as well. Might as well be something we have different from Wikipedia hehe — ''Comrade [[Comrade:FelipeForte|FelipeForte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:FelipeForte|talk]])</sup> 22:23, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Forte: /* Page title convention? */

2021-11-15T22:23:40Z

Page title convention?

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	:The phrase "Chinese Communist Party" isn't more common, its just wrong. All Chinese people (1.4 billion of them) use CPC. Regardless, I do prefer the official name in nearly every case. [[North Atlantic Treaty Organization]] should be the original page and [[NATO]] should link to it. -''Comrade [[Comrade:Spookfessor\|Spookfessor]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Spookfessor\|talk]])</sup> 06:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)		:The phrase "Chinese Communist Party" isn't more common, its just wrong. All Chinese people (1.4 billion of them) use CPC. Regardless, I do prefer the official name in nearly every case. [[North Atlantic Treaty Organization]] should be the original page and [[NATO]] should link to it. -''Comrade [[Comrade:Spookfessor\|Spookfessor]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Spookfessor\|talk]])</sup> 06:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
	::Following discord discussion, we've decided it to be best to use the shorthand version wherever possible, for the sake of saving space and avoiding long titles, as well as making our wiki approachable and familiar to readers (for example, using "Vladimir Lenin" instead of "Vladimir Ulyanov", as readers will likely be more familiar with the former. --''Comrade [[Comrade:Jucheguevara\|Jucheguevara]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Jucheguevara\|talk]])</sup> 21:35, 15 November 2021 (UTC)		::Following discord discussion, we've decided it to be best to use the shorthand version wherever possible, for the sake of saving space and avoiding long titles, as well as making our wiki approachable and familiar to readers (for example, using "Vladimir Lenin" instead of "Vladimir Ulyanov", as readers will likely be more familiar with the former. --''Comrade [[Comrade:Jucheguevara\|Jucheguevara]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Jucheguevara\|talk]])</sup> 21:35, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
			:::I agree with shorthand as well as full name, but even if readers are not familiar with a particular name, a redirect from "Vladimir Lenin" to "Vladimir Ulyanov" already serves to familiarize the reader with a particular name. [[EcuRed]], the Cuban encyclopedia, uses full name and shorthand in title, [https://www.ecured.cu/OTAN_(Organizaci%C3%B3n_del_Tratado_del_Atl%C3%A1ntico_Norte) for instance]. So to state my opinion in this, for names of people, I agree with shorthand and known name, but for organizations and countries, I prefer the full name as well. Might as well be something we have different from Wikipedia hehe — ''Comrade [[Comrade:FelipeForte\|FelipeForte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:FelipeForte\|talk]])</sup> 22:23, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Jucheguevara: /* Page title convention? */

2021-11-15T21:35:28Z

Page title convention?

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	Wikipedia follows a convention of common names before official name. This is why they renamed "Communist Party of China" to "Chinese Communist Party". What convention do we follow with regards to this? I'm guessing prolewiki prioritizes official names over common ones because [[China]] was moved to [[People's Republic of China]]. However, [[NATO]] seems to be the odd one then because as per the official name should be [[North Atlantic Treaty Organization]] (page doesn't exist but i'll make it as a redirect to [[NATO]] for now). IMO, the official wiki policy on this convention should be highlighted on the editorial convention page to avoid inconsistencies in the future. Good day, [[Comrade:Field Marshal\|<span style="background:red; border-radius:15px; color:#FFDF00; padding:2px;">''' ☭ Field Marshal ☭ '''</span>]] 05:17, 5 February 2021 (UTC)		Wikipedia follows a convention of common names before official name. This is why they renamed "Communist Party of China" to "Chinese Communist Party". What convention do we follow with regards to this? I'm guessing prolewiki prioritizes official names over common ones because [[China]] was moved to [[People's Republic of China]]. However, [[NATO]] seems to be the odd one then because as per the official name should be [[North Atlantic Treaty Organization]] (page doesn't exist but i'll make it as a redirect to [[NATO]] for now). IMO, the official wiki policy on this convention should be highlighted on the editorial convention page to avoid inconsistencies in the future. Good day, [[Comrade:Field Marshal\|<span style="background:red; border-radius:15px; color:#FFDF00; padding:2px;">''' ☭ Field Marshal ☭ '''</span>]] 05:17, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
	:The phrase "Chinese Communist Party" isn't more common, its just wrong. All Chinese people (1.4 billion of them) use CPC. Regardless, I do prefer the official name in nearly every case. [[North Atlantic Treaty Organization]] should be the original page and [[NATO]] should link to it. -''Comrade [[Comrade:Spookfessor\|Spookfessor]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Spookfessor\|talk]])</sup> 06:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)		:The phrase "Chinese Communist Party" isn't more common, its just wrong. All Chinese people (1.4 billion of them) use CPC. Regardless, I do prefer the official name in nearly every case. [[North Atlantic Treaty Organization]] should be the original page and [[NATO]] should link to it. -''Comrade [[Comrade:Spookfessor\|Spookfessor]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Spookfessor\|talk]])</sup> 06:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
			::Following discord discussion, we've decided it to be best to use the shorthand version wherever possible, for the sake of saving space and avoiding long titles, as well as making our wiki approachable and familiar to readers (for example, using "Vladimir Lenin" instead of "Vladimir Ulyanov", as readers will likely be more familiar with the former. --''Comrade [[Comrade:Jucheguevara\|Jucheguevara]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Jucheguevara\|talk]])</sup> 21:35, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Spookfessor: /* Proposal for United States demonym */

2021-06-19T14:23:28Z

Proposal for United States demonym

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	'''PROPOSAL:''' American is a term referring to the whole continent, and it suits United States imperialist ideology. So, as an effort to combat that reasoning, we adhere to using ''Statesian'' to refer to the inhabitants of that country. — ''Comrade [[Comrade:FelipeForte\|FelipeForte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:FelipeForte\|talk]])</sup> 10:40, 19 June 2021 (UTC)		'''PROPOSAL:''' American is a term referring to the whole continent, and it suits United States imperialist ideology. So, as an effort to combat that reasoning, we adhere to using ''Statesian'' to refer to the inhabitants of that country. — ''Comrade [[Comrade:FelipeForte\|FelipeForte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:FelipeForte\|talk]])</sup> 10:40, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
			:Statesian also could refer to Mexicans, although I suppose they already have the term Mexican. The issue really becomes interested when you bring in the [[Federated States of Micronesia]]. There are Micronesians outside of the Federated States of Micronesia, but calling them Statesians would overlap with the USA term. As for the USA the word Yankee/Yank comes to mind, but some consider this offensive. Perhaps a true solution would be to eliminate the usage of such a demonym entirely: instead of saying "Lincoln was an American politician", instead saying "Lincoln was a politician from the USA". *''Comrade [[Comrade:Spookfessor\|Spookfessor]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Spookfessor\|talk]])</sup> 14:23, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

	== Suggestion on linking ==		== Suggestion on linking ==

Forte: Newer on top

2021-06-19T10:41:04Z

Newer on top

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	I'm going to be adding my suggestions to the talk page and I guess we use the actual page for the things we agree on? In any case I added several suggestions with this edit, hopefully categorized in the new chapters below. Remember that whatever we decide, the important thing is to be consistent across the whole wiki. --[[User:CriticalResist\|CriticalResist]] ([[User talk:CriticalResist\|talk]]) 22:51, 18 November 2020 (-03)		I'm going to be adding my suggestions to the talk page and I guess we use the actual page for the things we agree on? In any case I added several suggestions with this edit, hopefully categorized in the new chapters below. Remember that whatever we decide, the important thing is to be consistent across the whole wiki. --[[User:CriticalResist\|CriticalResist]] ([[User talk:CriticalResist\|talk]]) 22:51, 18 November 2020 (-03)

			== Proposal for United States demonym ==

			'''PROPOSAL:''' American is a term referring to the whole continent, and it suits United States imperialist ideology. So, as an effort to combat that reasoning, we adhere to using ''Statesian'' to refer to the inhabitants of that country. — ''Comrade [[Comrade:FelipeForte\|FelipeForte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:FelipeForte\|talk]])</sup> 10:40, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

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	Wikipedia follows a convention of common names before official name. This is why they renamed "Communist Party of China" to "Chinese Communist Party". What convention do we follow with regards to this? I'm guessing prolewiki prioritizes official names over common ones because [[China]] was moved to [[People's Republic of China]]. However, [[NATO]] seems to be the odd one then because as per the official name should be [[North Atlantic Treaty Organization]] (page doesn't exist but i'll make it as a redirect to [[NATO]] for now). IMO, the official wiki policy on this convention should be highlighted on the editorial convention page to avoid inconsistencies in the future. Good day, [[Comrade:Field Marshal\|<span style="background:red; border-radius:15px; color:#FFDF00; padding:2px;">''' ☭ Field Marshal ☭ '''</span>]] 05:17, 5 February 2021 (UTC)		Wikipedia follows a convention of common names before official name. This is why they renamed "Communist Party of China" to "Chinese Communist Party". What convention do we follow with regards to this? I'm guessing prolewiki prioritizes official names over common ones because [[China]] was moved to [[People's Republic of China]]. However, [[NATO]] seems to be the odd one then because as per the official name should be [[North Atlantic Treaty Organization]] (page doesn't exist but i'll make it as a redirect to [[NATO]] for now). IMO, the official wiki policy on this convention should be highlighted on the editorial convention page to avoid inconsistencies in the future. Good day, [[Comrade:Field Marshal\|<span style="background:red; border-radius:15px; color:#FFDF00; padding:2px;">''' ☭ Field Marshal ☭ '''</span>]] 05:17, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
	:The phrase "Chinese Communist Party" isn't more common, its just wrong. All Chinese people (1.4 billion of them) use CPC. Regardless, I do prefer the official name in nearly every case. [[North Atlantic Treaty Organization]] should be the original page and [[NATO]] should link to it. -''Comrade [[Comrade:Spookfessor\|Spookfessor]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Spookfessor\|talk]])</sup> 06:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)		:The phrase "Chinese Communist Party" isn't more common, its just wrong. All Chinese people (1.4 billion of them) use CPC. Regardless, I do prefer the official name in nearly every case. [[North Atlantic Treaty Organization]] should be the original page and [[NATO]] should link to it. -''Comrade [[Comrade:Spookfessor\|Spookfessor]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:Spookfessor\|talk]])</sup> 06:38, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

	~~== Proposal for United States demonym ==~~

	'''PROPOSAL:''' American is a term referring to the whole continent, and it suits United States imperialist ideology. So, as an effort to combat that reasoning, we adhere to using ''Statesian'' to refer to the inhabitants of that country. — ''Comrade [[Comrade:FelipeForte\|FelipeForte]]'' <sup>([[Comradeship:FelipeForte\|talk]])</sup> 10:40, 19 June 2021 (UTC)